How presumptuous, and yet I was. So if I seem dogmatic (or catmatic) on what I believe, not trying to be harsh or rude, just sure in what I believe. I enjoyed your story and am happy to see you attending a small group rather than giving up on it all together. Shalom. I am finding this site among others that are confirming some concerns. I appreciate the prayer & responses. Its not fun, its grueling and has caused me to really question in new ways what is and is not God. Unique. Young people mimmick their piers. Sin, False Doctrine, Fake Christians, deceived Christians abound in virtually every denomination and non-denomination to some degree. If you're not blessed, not protected, or not this one, that I would wind up sick and possibly even die because I was outside of God's will. It was a Flee the hirelings and the organized mess that only wants converts to their denomination. Talking correctly was This is my story. very sad. Somenot all. Crazy. And those who claim to be of God and are not will be held accountable. Thank God Amighty, I am free at last!. Thats why it is so important to share our stories. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Some who leave dont go to They were engaged within a month and within two months had broken off their engagement because God apparently spoke to her again and told her No . Thanks for sharing your story and I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future. Bill Johnson and his wife are into grave soaking. Absolutely not. I began to draw away in solitude for a season. Of course, if you are illiterate or not a great reader life is a tad more difficult! Sad The doctrine at bethel is deplorable. One thing that i experienced in years of study on Principalities and Powers of darkness is how Satan mimics the truth (exact opposite of Gods word) also that patterns are a quick way to discern his deceit. dear jordan poem the crossover. they didn't come to pass. My grandfather was a pastor and we went to church every day. 5:7 we are to live by faith and not by sight. Romans 1:16 KJV When we have visitors from other churches, thats where I notice a lot of what you talk about. His word is enough for us. Nationally known guest speakers visited from time to time. If you ever want to chat, let me know and will be glad to listen. . God! A Serious Question for Black Americans (esp. Sorry if I took anything you said out of context. The holidays and false beliefs, & man made traditions. Some popular charismatic ministers are bad therefore ALL Pentecostals and Charismatics are bad. Whilst I agree there are too many excesses in the Charismatic movement, I dont subscribe to cessationist views. Truth is, were never going to find that perfect church. Sure, when God manifests Himself, you may get emotional and feel His Presence. So they are leaving. In fact they generally condemn everyone who disagrees with them. I am none too worried to be honest as experience has, to a larger degree, taught me wisdom and discernment. Please dont derail the thread nonbelievers Corinthians speaks of speaking in tongues as a gift. There is much Bible illiteracy here. The Body of Christ must return to Gods Intelligent Design for the form and function of the Body as outlined in Scripture. God bless you for writing your testimony. We learned then that most churches were going further and further from Gods written word. First of all, Jesus cast out those kind of spirits and sent them back to hell from whence they came. Also grew up in church but i always thought to myself there must be more than this. Many in the congregation go to and from Bethel. I left a charismatic church myself in 1979 despite the warnings that Satan is trying to keep me from what God has. However, that doesnt mean that I have given up on A true encounter of a spiritual kind (Angels, Holy Spirit) would leave you trembling, speechless and afraid for your very life. I certainly agree with you and sounds like puresola does too. activities took place almost every night of the week, and I was there whenever the doors were open. To tough questions that seem to divide, Charismatic Chaos provides tougher answers that strive to unite. I went to other churches that were Word based but there was no spiritual life. A controversial debate about racism in the United Pentecostal Church International is now raging in the denomination after an interracial couple who led one of They prophesied that they saw my moms brain cells starting to multiply, but of course we had to do our part, which involved extreme fasting, and money ( it always involves money for these evil wolves!). I found myself caught in a terrible situation. I encourage you to dig deeper into the origins and founders of Pentecostal theology and where the 7 Mt. On Former Catholics & Why They Left the Church. without the support of the church leadership. When my mom became terminally ill at a young age from a neurological disease, I believed all the faith healers that it was always Gods will for us to be healthy and wealthy. We are encouraged to develop our own relationship with Jesus at our own pace. Now what they don't point out is that, the tongues the disciples spoke was actually Earth languages. I cannot help what others do, I can only help what I do and I do not want ANYTHING coming in between me and Christ. While I refuse to listen to any of the major media ministries anymore, that does not sour me on the incredible level of intimacy I have with God every day his prophetic word, and praying in the Spirit. Amen to that, Michael. WebNow before I give you the reasons why I never went back to the Pentecostal church, let me make something clear: this is not a personal attack against the Pentecostal I left at 1.30am when the meeting was still going on. What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and delusion. I believe you said you are a pastor? His doctor at that time told him 25% of his patients had some affiliation with churches. I didnt leave a cult to be indoctrinated by another. I dont trust a person who loves or likes dominos pizza. Go to YouTube and listen, you will be amazed, please, do this for your own benefit. Be patient with yourself and take all the time off you need to heal. We do not want to be weighed and found guilty of teaching anything not up to his standard or a loose doctrine full of holes. Praise God He continue to lead and guide us by His Spirit, just as He promised . Im not anti-Charismatic: I know my gifting, and I know Jesus still uses the gifts (charismata) of His Spirit to enable people throughout the church in their ministries. Why I left the Pentecostal Church Patricia Figueroa 1.32K subscribers Subscribe 574 Share 40K views 4 years ago In this video, I talk about the reasons why i We having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Calvinism, though not Cultic (but borderline) is a false teaching in itself which misrepresents the character of our wonderful Lord and His awesome plan of salvation. This is my story! We all belong tp eachother. May you all be blessed and may your relationship with the Lord grow daily. I left a mad house full of confusion and bad theology. There are days that I feel extremely frustrated, angry and then there are days that Im OK and thats just a part of healing from being in a radical fridge movement. It was an awkward departure. It felt like the kind of church that was much more in tune with God and a relational experience instead of just going through the actions. touch, but I knew I was saying "goodbye" forever. The fact that the Word of God is full of external manifestation as evidence of Gods power should not distract us. Change). One woman who claimed to be an evangelist was leading those meetings, and I remember her stopping, and with an evil laugh said Oh Lord, please keep it clean as if the Holy Spirit would ever make people do something unclean! Anyways, you know this. Are ye so foolish? Butbeing human as we are fleshly and manipulative people take centre stage and are empowered by congregations who prefer to be led rather than find maturity. Youre right when you say music has become more influential than Gods word. I live in Bangkok and most churches are like this. These are completely outside of his written word. Its strong delusion and it will only become MORE apostate and MORE evident. I dont know why but it instantly conjured up the sufferings of the saints who endure far far worse things yet do not deny their Christ and I was stopped short. In other words, God effectively stopped speaking new revelation through mankind 2000 years ago or whenever the last apostle recorded his last words. I loved it. I didn't feel torn or What are your future plans? God used this time to begin opening my eyes to the truth. These three simultaneous events sent me running back to my bible. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment. Be blessed. Just the one that suits will do me. I pray the Lord will guide you and strengthen you as you seek Him! A lot of things that is said to be the Holy Spirit moving is nothing but the Flesh, Carnality and Recognition of self! These groups accuse the Pentecostals and Charismatics of wrong teaching yet they themselves are steeped in their own false teaching and gross error. The majority of the congregation could just "show up" and enjoy. God can speak to us by the Holy Spirit, guide and lead us into what He wants us to know or show us what to do or where we need to be. What a great article. I really like the sense of community I find in small bible studies although I no longer feel obligated to have perfect attendance; that too has been great. If more Christians were influential in these areas would we have a more godly society? rwj dermatology residents; bowen Get it and READ IT! WebThe Pentecostal movement began with a desire to be intentionally non-denominational and unaffiliated. Enough is enough. Follow the crowd? For example some people get bent out of shape if you believe in a pretrib rapture and think you ate a heretic. and even Canada. I am reading all everybody has to say and I have to say this: the church is still the bride of Christ and even though the wedding dress might be torn and dirty, the hair a mess and the jewellery dull, we are the bride irrespective of where and how we are worshipping. James 3:1 (NKJV) My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. I still attend Baptist and non denomination churches(my mothers side of the family are View all posts by puresola. Not sure whats so bad about 7-M. I just wrote a 10,000 word essay using Scripture as the basis on the subject, The Importance of the New Testament Doctrine of Selfless Service and Disciple Making.. At other times, I wondered if the supposed recipients of the healings had Ive been there numerous times and it is NOT an emotional driven apostasy that you claim. In fact, we teach against these false teachers, their heresy and Kool-aid being drunk by the masses. The pastor brought in the prophets/apostles to promote the We Love Our City that our church was starting to implement. God bless! Now she's Captain of the Atlanta Public Schools Police. The Word and the Holy Spirit will never go against each other. I was told that I would be a failure wherever I went, that I was I believe it was a culmination of things that brought me to truth. The difference is Im not twisting anything. WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to study and learn Scripture. It was top notch. My biggest concern is that christians can quote writers or preachers better than Gods Word why? We are told in 2 Corn. Praise Godanother life freed from that bondage from hell. I started asking questions like why are we so formal with eachother since Jesus calls us his family and not spiritual family. MacArthurs cessationism is not fueled by his reformed views. Im in a bit of a situation right now. Thank you for sharing yours and please post it to your Facebook as well. Sorry you had bad experiences in Pentecostal circles. I longed to be closer to God. I went there that day with an equally unsaved friend and we both left that day ive approached my pastor on several disagreements ive had with him n hes explanation of it was satisfactory, we have council members so if the pastor is out of order we report to them and then it gets sorted. It constantly breaks my heart to see the hunger for God in peoples eyes, and know they are not getting fed and led to Him: the humanistic messages that encourage people to do their best, instead of helping them to see that without Christ we can do nothing that pleases Him; that we are dead to the old life and we live the new life by Christ in us as new creations with transformed minds and joyful hearts. To keep my eyes aware to possible false teachings. I'm sure that my friends The church we attended at the time had people like Rodney Howard Brown, and his ilk. Praise God for His mercy and grace!. The Pentecostal scholars I admired almost all left their Pentecostal denominations because they felt marginalized by suspicion that their scholarship was a head trip that made their hearts cold. I prayed for thattruly.thank God. missing it so I could "fix" whatever it was and live in His blessing again. And Paul said that's not even the best gift. The Holy Spirit was not given so we could have spiritual encounters(which never build up the spiritual man) and command him like a genie, by demanding, decreeing, commanding anything, as if He is underneath us! The worship time was powerful and emotional but strangely empty for me. And before you claim I have been blinded, Ive only been saved since 2012 and have RUN out the door of churches whose theology does not line up with the Word of God. I stated that my contention is with churches or denominations that place external manifestations ABOVE Gods word. But that night never But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good. My experience is this; dreams can be easily influenced by what we already want/dont want. healing. The real reason the so called church has gotten so apostate is because they have When I say false teaching I mean heresy, not non essential doctrines which have no bearing on salvation. I chat to someone who has a particular issue and quoted what I read this morning, to try and comfort them and show a different path to solve the problem. They are sweet young families in this little church, precious young ones who love Jesus. This is an exciting time. If things are that bad at that Church I would encourage you to leave and seek a Church that preaches the Word. That's too much for children and people look at me crazy when I tell them about my childhood. He did not condemn the WHOLE Church because of the error if some. I now know it is manufactured, carnal and the tool Satan is using to raise up false converts with zero knowledge of the Word. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. You do not have the authority to do so. No condemnation. Im fully awake. He is aware of these things and says he doesnt agree with themthat he just preaches the gospel. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious. or show up and let everyone see how badly I had failed in my faith. Have MERCY on those who waver; SAVE others by snatching them from the FIRE; have MERCY on others, but with fear, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.". I looked so holy Im sure in my Sunday best. 1. This should help those who are struggling with the pentecostal way of thinking and also help you see why its not working and more specifically that it is not working. One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult timehas been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine. This thus saith the Lord stuff has hurt a lot of people. However, it might not be Gods will to hear that particular scripture. The deception is so clear nowit upsets me to see so many still trapped in this, and unwilling to see the truth! Most definately. Staying connected to the Search the scriptures and you will find Him there. Because you said I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. 'My principal concern,' writes John MacArthur, 'is to call the church to a firm commitment to the purity and authority of the Scriptures, and thereby to strengthen the unity of the true church.' Let this not become a church bashing agenda here. I think we would. My questions didn't just melt away, but I learned how to talk as if they had. The I became increasingly aware that the preachers I was listening to used bible scriptures here and there but mainly they talked of their own experiences and turned it into doctrine. It's a historic day. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus name. While this was not the only reason that I left the Indian Pentecostal church, it was one of the biggest reasons. But these days if you are not in the same church you dont really belong to me. I am happy for you and He will keep through everything. Praise YHWH. It caused me to start wondering about the validity of standards taught in the United Pentecostal Church. WHERE IS THE CHURCH? The next person can easily say your interpretation or my interpretation is "twisting the Word of God". ABBA IS CALLING US OUT OF BABYLONHIS TRUE REMNANTreturning to HIS WAYS, HIS INSTRUCTIONS(TORAH), HIS FEASTS, HIS SHABBAT. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. The other thing is EVERYONE has the gift of prophecy? Enjoy! Well I guess you now know what God is doing, Hes bringing His real children out of a apostate Church and into His truth. WebSo leaving Pentecostalism was just one step, the first of many slow & painful steps as I finally accepted that healing wasnt going to come & chances are Ive never saw God move In the situation not because he didnt want to but perhaps because he wasnt. I've also been to quite a few services at a couple of different Apostolic churches. Regardless of what the world throws at us, and how many times we fail Him, He must be our focus and the centre of our desire both in the gatherings of the church and in our lives in the community. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. You may email me on lazchetty@gmail.com. Its like saying Dr. The Lord is calling his children out from the delusion and false teaching of the pentecostal movement, one by one. Going to church every sunday, praise and worship, listen to a scripture and go home again. If you requested prayer for the which is false. I looked to those who were further along They make a big deal out of tongues. Web89 views, 6 likes, 2 loves, 15 comments, 1 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from DD Memorial Baptist Church: DD Memorial Baptist Church was live. As for the breathing, these kids are desperate for recognition and fame in churches, they mimic there idols; unfortunately Bill Johnson is held in high esteem among many young people. I have heard false prophecies through the years. Over the course of 30 days, some wonderful Christians inside the jail (other inmates) grabbed ahold of me and poured out God's love and encouragement on me. We need to be rooted and grounded in the Word to stand regardless of what some else does or does not do. They believed you could lose your salvation too. Offended people sometimes have a wrong perception when no real offense exists. Im trying to to be patient with myself but I certainly have latent anger and questions. Rejoice always! If it is a bad Church leave and find one that lives and preaches the word. Where does the Holy Spirit fit into Sola Scriptura? It was not easy leaving, and it took me years, but I'm finally free. Often, there were social/political themes to the teachings, followed by Sorry for your bad Church experiences you and your family have encountered. I am left speechless after reading this. The Bible teaches no such thing. Maybe next time I would get it right. The charismatic movement of the past quarter-century has made an impact on the church unparalleled in history. I am the church, and while I do want to seek out fellowship with others as this too is a Biblical principal and we are told not to forsake it, I cant help but to feel lost as where to go next. Im so happy you have followed your gut on this one. May the Lord continue to lead and guide you by His Word. The Assemblies of God were founded in Hot Springs, Arkansas in April, 1914. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. (LogOut/ Praise God that His Word is so powerful, its truths so self-evident, that all one has to do is believe all of it, not just the goose-bumpy out-of-context verses, to be delivered. This broke me and I decided to start living again too.
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