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But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. Right down to exactly a tenth. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! Each week, families are strengthened, encouraged, and drawn closer to God as we worship together and are challenged to live for Christ in a sin-darkened world. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. I am an IFB. Unaccountable. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Currently 24 tabs open on my desktop and about double that in my brain! Here goes: My roots are in the IFB; my parents came from a relatively benign form of the movement, but even there the harmful effects were latent. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. My husband and I left the IFB church about a year and a half ago. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. Over the course of 2 1/2 months, I publicly shared more about the days I spent torn between legalism and grace. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. Feel free to send me a facebook message. greg, Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. I hope you two can work that out. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. They gave me the false impression that God was mad at me and that I wasnt a good Christian. Scan this QR code to download the app now. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. She is not shunned. In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. For example, G.L. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. This again cannot be proven from history. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. My husband and I made the decision to leave the IFB about a year ago. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. Hi BJ. Jude:22., In Luke 5, Simon had been out all night fishing with Andrew, James, John, and possibly others. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. I went to and IFB Bible college (Fellowship Baptist College at the Averyville Baptist Church in E. Peoria, IL) and then to a second Baptist Bible college, Maranatha Baptist Bible College in Watertown, Wisconsin. 3:3). Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. (P.S. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. God bless. Im sorry to hear that the experience has affected your relationship to an extent as well. Greater Portland Christian Academy is an extension of the ministry of Greater Portland Baptist Church assisting parents in raising their children to prepare them for adult challenges and responsibilities in ministry as well as the secular realm. The pastor was near inapproachable and always seemed like he didnt have time to talk to us. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. I was raised in a Baptist Church and never questioned it. Hope youll check it out. John 10:10, But not all Baptist churches are that way! Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! I couldnt have said it better myself Ken. 8.) It became an independent church in 1746. In response to the concerns, Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. I knew the Tony Hutsons and John Hamblins were crazy, but I wasn't part of them. They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. Tithing preceded the OT Law. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. After leaving we received a couple phone calls from friends we had made there wondering why we left which my husband explained to them. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. A compelling memoir and account of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church and its shocking history of religious abuse. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. You are correct, I was surprised. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to They point fingers from a pulpit and pews and declare that to be sick is to be sinful. The Great Awakening stirred religious interests in the colonies and a reported great revival took place. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. 1. Looking back, do you believe you were part of a cult? Please keep us informed in regards to your journey! 3.) God does not lead His children by rules. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. He too returned in June of 2009. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. Simon, even though he was tired and didnt think there were any fish to be had, obeyed Read More. They never truly loved me to begin with if they can't handle yours truly being truly apathetic about everything church supposedly offers them when said church acts as if someone like me doesn't exist just because I don't give 10% of my income to a group of organizations I know to be abusive and to be incompetent at best and outright hostile to someone like yours truly and his Asperger's. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? I dont agree with their politics and it really bothers me. Pastor Scott McFeters grew up in the ministry of GPBC, was saved while in this church, was discipled, and surrendered to follow the leading of the Lord in this ministry. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. NOT ONE. Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible. I feel so free now and I no longer feel like God is angry with me. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE FIRST RECORDED BAPTIST CHURCH IN HISTORY. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. @greg We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! Don't want any frauds! These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. Ive seen the journeys. Are you (or someone you know) a perfect person for us to interview on the podcast? IFB churches are not the problem. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). WebA former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in You feel distant from what the IFB taught you about God, the Bible and church. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. It seems to me that Christianitys best are leaving the traditional, institutional church because God is revealing its inadequacies. I would appreciate any help I cant find anyone who has gone through something similar. I was so bothered by these things I gave up for a little while, until. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. WebA podcast for ex-IFB church members, and others who have been affected by Christian Fundamentalism to hear stories, commentary, and comedy about the Independent One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. -, Coping with Family Discord as a Result of your Child with Special Needs, love songs to help you through a rough spot in your marriage, Questions I'm asking about my son's special needs, Songs for Military Members and Military Wives, Moving beyond the ADHD diagnosis: this is a journey. Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. A nother reason why I am convinced that the average fundamental Baptist church will be well down the emerging path within 20 years is the prevalence of soft separatism. Soft separatism is a separatism that is ineffective to protect the Lords people from spiritual dangers. Wed love to hear about it! Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. Is it based on the individual church or whole congregations? But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. G.L. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. Im really not sure how we didnt die. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. 31 Days of Preparing for VBAC {An Introduction}, Homeschooling special needs: a story of transformation, ADHD Homeschooling: Hacks, Tricks, and Tips for Making It Work, Home preschool resources for the tired, non-creative, busy mom, DMDD: Disruptive Mood Dysregulation Disorder Our Missing Piece, 31 Days of Supporting the Special Needs Family, Failed courtship: when you trust and obey but your heart still gets broken, when youve been hurt by legalism, hold onto faith. You feel distant, not from God, the Bible and or church, but from what you THOUGHT was God, the Bible and church. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. I think that point was already addressed. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. My dad was considerably older than my mom, his second wife. He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. In order to distinguish between the doctrinally unsound Baptist churches and those that believed the Bible many Baptist churches changed their name. We never shun people who leave the church. I'm asking because I'm seriously considering coming out to my parents as someone who just looks at Christianity as being another nerd-esque interest much like that of video games, anime, comic books, etc.. Basically, if you watched the Religious People are Nerds video by CollegeHumor, you know what I'm talking about. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. I only know of two. It was horrible. This is known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. As I was reading this I was wondering if we had ever crossed paths. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? So after having several inches of rain flood our garage at 10pm Saturday night and again at 6pm last night, Russ and I went on a mission to diagnose the problem. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. @greg Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. I am a woman who grew up in an ifb church. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. Thank you for writing back. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. Steve February 4, 2016 Leaving the IFB 12 Comments I This was because of frequent prompting from the pulpit: Did I say the right thing, did I pray the right prayer, did I really, really, really mean it this time etc. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. There are no rules about what to give at all. Anyway I hope that things get better for you soon, and one that that really helped me was browsing through the e-mails and messages on here, and seeing how many of us had the same kinds of issues. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Join the conversation as three pastors who are recovering fundamentalists talk about life, ministry, and their journeys. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. I should have or you should have? 27 Apr 2023 15:20:37 But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. Independent means Not dependent; not subject to the control of others; not subordinate.. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. I recently received an email from a lady distraught over leaving the IFB. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. What you have to do is develop your own way of fellowshipping with people, worshiping God and your own personal relationship with Christ apart from the IFB while remembering that you are free from the dangerous teachings of the IFB. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). You have it backwards. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament.

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